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05 May 2007 @ 03:42 pm
"Can't he understand it if a soldier who has crossed thousands of kilometers through blood and fire and death has fun with a woman or takes some trifle?"
-J.V. Stalin
(Defending the Russian Army against charges of mass rape and looting in “liberated” Yugoslavia.)
Sov-oksov_ok on May 6th, 2007 10:48 am (UTC)
Hmp... Why so many "flaming" western revolutionaries are always repeating bourgeois propaganda? Maybe because of this the revolution in West is still a very distant future...
Yko_korakious on May 6th, 2007 03:22 pm (UTC)
Revolution in Russia is far more distant than in the West, given the complete meltdown in working class politics.
Sov-oksov_ok on May 6th, 2007 07:23 pm (UTC)
Oh, really? So maybe you are great party leader and you'll do the revolution in the West and free us? :)
Yko_korakious on May 6th, 2007 11:16 pm (UTC)
Nah. I think that the liberation of the working class should be an act of the working class itself, rather than of any party leaders.
Sov-oksov_ok on May 7th, 2007 04:50 am (UTC)
Wow! So there is no need in party and in leader like Lenin?
dontbeascab on May 7th, 2007 03:05 am (UTC)
Leaders don't free people, they just lead...they lead a people determined to free themselves. Stalin was no leader of the proletariat. He was the boss of a corrupt oppressive system that kept workers down.

You people need to wake up, the collapse of the "peoples democracies" and the USSR, the state of China today...these are the marks of a failure.

Socialism is about workers power, it's about workers in control.
Sov-oksov_ok on May 7th, 2007 05:56 am (UTC)
Beautiful! In this situation you accuse the workers from Red Army, Stalin - protects them. Then, in your reply above, you accuse Stalin as totalitarian dictator and protects the working class from him... Where is the logic?

By the way, if peoples democracies were one big failure - show me then the real socialist state which were created in the West :) This theory of "wrong states" will lead us into an opposition to the October revolution - because this revolution created them. Well, I don't say that this states were very good ones (and I'll never say that they were very bad - they were a simple states with their "+" and "-"), but the history hadn't shown us the other variations of them :) So we have only that we have - not more and not less - everything else is still in theory...
dontbeascab on May 7th, 2007 03:00 am (UTC)
Ok so this is bourgeois propaganda is it? Where did it come from?
mikebanda on May 7th, 2007 04:17 am (UTC)
From Djilas
Titoist and anticommunist
Sov-oksov_ok on May 7th, 2007 04:50 am (UTC)
Officially it came from Milovan Djilas, one of the party bosses in SFRY. During the split between USSR and SFRY this was a good thing for arguing with prosoviet communists because they had no chance to reply - there aren't any information about the fact (instead of such information about german soldiers, yugoslavian nationalists and soviet traitors in german SS troops). But this is just a part from huge anti-communist and anti-soviet propaganda from the West - I'm sure that you know about "millions of german women which were raped in soviet zone of Germany" and so on...
Yko_korakious on May 6th, 2007 03:21 pm (UTC)
It's not like other Bolsheviks had great gender politics either.